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HardlyCapable13
09-09-2016, 04:11 PM
They're becoming the next Nintendo...

Mods, by the way, have been available in Fallout 4 on the Xbox One since May.


After months of discussion with Sony, we regret to say that while we have long been ready to offer mod support on PlayStation 4, Sony has informed us they will not approve user mods the way they should work: where users can do anything they want for either Fallout 4 or Skyrim Special Edition.

Like you, we are disappointed by Sony’s decision given the considerable time and effort we have put into this project, and the amount of time our fans have waited for mod support to arrive. We consider this an important initiative and we hope to find other ways user mods can be available for our PlayStation audience. However, until Sony will allow us to offer proper mod support for PS4, that content for Fallout 4 and Skyrim on PlayStation 4 will not be available.

source: http://kotaku.com/bethesda-says-sony-wont-allow-skyrim-or-fallout-4-mods-1786431292

HardlyCapable13
09-09-2016, 04:43 PM
I'm seeing a lot of discussion around the web on this. The flag waving die hard fans who will blow Sony no matter what they do are saying that this decision will not impact the sales of the console this holiday season.

I'm not sure what delusional planet they live on, but I hope to never share oxygen with them.

The point, from a consumer, is not console sales. The POINT is giving your consumers a choice. Mods are a hugely popular aspect of PC gaming. The fact that Bethesda figured out how to bring this to consoles is amazing. It's been available in Fallout 4 on the Xbox One since May, and works really well. This is a huge step forward in console gaming; well, until Sony tries to make us all take 2 steps back.

I just don't get it. I'm waiting for Ashton Kutcher to jump out and tell me I'm on that dumb show Punkd.


Not allowing mods - our players don't want that choice

No 4k bluray on the PS4Pro - our players don't watch discs, they only stream

No form of an "Elite" controller - our players don't want that choice

Not allowing cross platform play with the Xbox One - our players don't want that choice

Not allowing EA Access on PS4 - it's not a good value; and our players don't want that choice


These are all limiting the CHOICE of the consumer. Well Sony, that "other" console allows all of that plus more. But oh yeah, according to you they are not your competition. Your only competition is the PC. :noidea:

Major Stains
09-10-2016, 05:39 AM
Nothing against your post HC, your delivery is perfect and punctuation impecable as ever. But for some reason, I just prefer to hear it from Naomi. Maybe its the lack of beard? lol ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBVvXAeULLw

*Edit. And yes Sony, the 'Players' would love mods on many titles especially GTAV.

DeadChaos
09-10-2016, 07:38 AM
Nothing against your post HC, your delivery is perfect and punctuation impecable as ever. But for some reason, I just prefer to hear it from Naomi. Maybe its the lack of beard? lol ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBVvXAeULLw

*Edit. And yes Sony, the 'Players' would love mods on many titles especially GTAV.

Just wish she would move her hair slightly to the side, kind of blocking my view.

TonkaToys
09-11-2016, 03:56 PM
I don't get it... what possible reason does Sony have to refuse to do these things?

Retro
09-11-2016, 04:13 PM
I don't get it... what possible reason does Sony have to refuse to do these things?

Well given what they said about EA Access, I'll go with....

"it does not bring the kind of value PlayStation customers have come to expect,"

TonkaToys
09-11-2016, 04:21 PM
Well given what they said about EA Access, I'll go with....

"it does not bring the kind of value PlayStation customers have come to expect,"

I'll read that as ... "it does not bring the kind of profit that Sony shareholders have come to expect".

Borlaxx
09-12-2016, 10:19 AM
This really pisses me off. I was out sick from work all last week and finally started playing Fallout 4 and I absolutely love it. To be honest I am not sure if I would of even spent much time playing the mods as there seems to be a nearly endless amount of things to do in the regular game plus the DLC, but I know I would of at least tried a few and the fact that Sony doesn't even think I should have that option is absurd.

My hope is that Sony sees this backlash and rethinks this absurd policy or offers some sort of reasonable reason for it, if one even exists. Either way it has for the time being caused me to completely put off getting Skyrim if there are no mods, and if this is going to be their policy going forward it makes the decision to get a Scorpio over a Pro that much easier.

GRRowl74
09-12-2016, 10:52 AM
It really annoys me that they dismiss cross platform play and blame it on the players! How can they just assume people not want someting they never had the opportunity to try? Of course players would welcome cross platform play - it would mean their favorite multiplayer games will have a longer life span, based on a larger group of people playing it, not to mention faster matchmaking. Who wouldn't want that?

HardlyCapable13
09-12-2016, 11:22 AM
To be honest I am not sure if I would of even spent much time playing the mods as there seems to be a nearly endless amount of things to do in the regular game plus the DLC,

It doesn't just add quests or anything, it adds whatever you can think of to enrich your gaming experience. From new radio stations, to changing voices, to new weapons in Fallout, to new enemies and being able to ride dragons in Skyrim. Mods are pretty much whatever you can think up.

Borlaxx
10-05-2016, 02:14 PM
Bethesda just announced that mods WILL BE COMING to Fallout 4 and Skyrim Special Edition on PS4!!!!!!

In addition, Skyrim Special Edition will support Native 4k rendering on Playstation Pro.

Guessing Sony got enough complaints that they reversed course.

HardlyCapable13
10-05-2016, 02:22 PM
Bethesda just announced that mods WILL BE COMING to Fallout 4 and Skyrim Special Edition on PS4!!!!!!

In addition, Skyrim Special Edition will support Native 4k rendering on Playstation Pro.

Guessing Sony got enough complaints that they reversed course.

Can't wait to see all the fanboys who were previously saying the lack of mods was no big deal, now come around full circle and say how Sony is the best and this is amazing news. lol

Gink
10-05-2016, 03:13 PM
I've never been much for mods even on PC, though there are some cases where mods actually made games playable and sorted things the Devs never quite got fixed (I'm looking at you S.T.A.L.K.E.R. SoC). I doubt I'd mod FO or Skyrim much, but I was still irked to hear that Sony was standing in the way of mods coming to PS4. The original size limit issue, then rejecting the mods... I guess they might have technical reasons for it, but they shouldn't. This is the era of x86 gaming. Consoles, PCs, it's all basically the same hardware and should offer a lot of the same options and flexibility.

I am surprised to see Sony reverse their decision on this. I figured the mods vs no mods would have some impact on sales, but with the PS4 soundly dominating sales this generation, I wasn't sure that Sony would care that much about what the consumers want at this point.

Suby_Greg
10-05-2016, 04:18 PM
Nobody caved. Sony got what they wanted/needed to allow the mods. You may mod anything that is in the game. But you can not download new stuff from untested 3rd party or something like that.

Gink
10-05-2016, 05:06 PM
Nobody caved. Sony got what they wanted/needed to allow the mods. You may mod anything that is in the game. But you can not download new stuff from untested 3rd party or something like that.

Huh. Would be interested to know the specifics. When Bethesda previously revealed that Sony was blocking the mods, I kept waiting for a WHY. The reason they were blocking them. Never heard any details.

How is this handled on XBox? Do mods have to be approved before being available? Or is it just a free for all?

Suby_Greg
10-05-2016, 05:20 PM
http://kotaku.com/ps4-skyrim-and-fallout-are-getting-mods-after-all-but-1787456947

Security issue I bet

Gink
10-05-2016, 06:29 PM
http://kotaku.com/ps4-skyrim-and-fallout-are-getting-mods-after-all-but-1787456947

Security issue I bet

Hmm, so limited modding using only pre-existing assets. They didn't mention any size limits this time. Security does seem like the most likely excuse, but if it hasn't been an issue on PC and X1, why would it be an issue on PS4?
I could also see being concerned with stability, but that just goes hand in hand with mods. Anyone who uses mods should expect that the more you stack on, the more likely everything will fall apart. Modern consoles should keep running applications 'sandboxed' well enough that the game crashing doesn't effect the rest of the system.

DeadChaos
10-06-2016, 04:38 AM
Don't think Sony reversed their decision or blocked the mods for no reason in the first place, that's just what Bethesda said. If anything was to happen to customers accounts or consoles caused by mods I bet people will be falling over each to "sue" Sony for allowing mods. Very much doubt Sony would just say screw mods, we don't give a shit. People get hyped & critical way too quickly in the gaming community.

Gink
10-06-2016, 11:26 AM
I'm sure they had a reason. Doesn't change the fact that everyone else has managed to find ways to allow mods without it bringing about the end of the world.
The hardware is all more or less the same, so what's up with Sony's software? I'm sure folks would be just as eager to sue MS is Xbox mods caused security problems, I guess maybe they'd just already been planning for mods and had their software ready for it?

Who knows, it's all conjecture unfortunately. I'd love to know the whys and whatfors, but it's not seeming like anyone is going to release any details.

Retro
10-25-2016, 11:55 AM
"Despite not being released until this Friday, October 28, Bethesda is already accepting console mod submissions for The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Special Edition. But it's accepting far more on Xbox One than PS4.
At time of writing, looking at each platform's Bethesda.net listings (Xbox One here (https://mods.bethesda.net/#en/workshop/skyrim/view-all?platform=XB1), PS4 here (https://mods.bethesda.net/#en/workshop/skyrim/view-all?platform=PS4)) reveals 65 mods for Xbox One and just 10 for PS4. All 10 of the PS4 mods are also available on Xbox One.
That discrepancy seems to come down to one important difference between Microsoft and Sony's tolerance for modding - Microsoft will allow external assets (user-created models that don't appear in the game) while Sony will not (http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/10/06/skyrim-special-edition-and-fallout-4-getting-mod-support-on-ps4-after-all).


Essentially, the majority of PS4 mods will be efficiency measures or useful/interesting tweaks to the existing game, while Xbox One users will be able to add Dwarven railroads (https://mods.bethesda.net/#en/workshop/skyrim/mod-detail/2906876), survival mode add-ons (https://mods.bethesda.net/#en/workshop/skyrim/mod-detail/2952001) or murderous new stickmen followers with Thomas the Tank Engine characters for heads (https://mods.bethesda.net/#en/workshop/skyrim/mod-detail/2939936).
Some of the problem may also stem from the fact that Xbox One allows for up to 5GB of mods to be installed, while PS4 only allows for 1GB, although most mods that use no external assets fail to exceed over 1MB in size - currently, no available PS4 mod is bigger than around 300KB."

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/10/25/there-are-already-6-times-more-mods-for-skyrim-special-edition-on-xbox-one-than-ps4

HardlyCapable13
10-25-2016, 01:24 PM
smh...