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DayliteMag
10-17-2010, 03:20 PM
Got fed up being sniped 15 times in one match...returned the game and put the $38 credit toward Black Ops.

Top 10 Reasons Why I returned this F'ing game:

1. Ridiculous choke points with bodies piled 4 deep

2. Level 5 snipers who can run 44/0 in one 12 minute match

3. Can't join on my MP peeps even when they have room on their team

4. Can't spawn on your teammates

5. Can't join a match and be on the same team as your MP brethern

6. Very difficult to see the enemy (particularly snipers sitting at the back of their spawn)

7. Hard to develop and execute any serious strategy before getting sniped or NooB-Tubed (i.e. "Hey, there's a guy over on that snowy ridge...never mind...I'm dead")

8. Black Ops is bound to be a better "Run & Gun" game than MoH, so might as well get as much $$$ as possible for my trade and put it towards BO

9. Tiny little maps with very limited cover (could have been slightly better with more smoke grenades)

10. Simply prefer BC2 and playing MoH was just messing with my limited BC2 skillz (i.e. yesterday I momentarily forgot how to drive a tank). I'll wait for the Vietnam expansion and then Battlefield 3. In the meantime, I'm looking forward to trying BO.

Sorry, to rage-return this game and I hope you guys are able to get more out of it than I did.

Pwizzle99
10-17-2010, 03:51 PM
I'm debating on returning mine as well.

For a game that claimed to require teamwork and tactics to be successful... the fact that you can't tell squad mates from randoms (ie triangle has a different color) even when you are lucky enough to get in a game with them and you can't spawn on each other. Add to the fact that you really can't use tactics anyway due to such small maps that have all spawn area access locations covered by multiple snipers and you end up with nothing but aggravation from a game that is supposed to be fun.

I wanted to give it a chance to get the bugs worked out, but the only thing I have read recently about any kind of patch being done to the game is a nerf patch for sniper rifles. While that may help some, that just means these corner-camping-style players will just use an assault rifle with a battle scope to snipe with instead of a sniper designated rifle so they can put more bullets on target.

Any game that even I can get a score chain of 5 kills or more repeatedly with a sniper rifle tells me that it needs help SEVERLY. Since I can't snipe worth a damn.

This game should have been a collaboration of that other recently released game called "Sniper: Ghost Warrior" since the main focus seems to be on allowing anybody and everybody to be able to snipe effectively even if they lack the skills to do so normally.

dinsdale1978
10-17-2010, 04:47 PM
I had much the same reactions at first as you both, but after a few nights with MP's this game got less annoying. I found that in the maps that the snipers at me alive for running and gunning, I set up a tent and camped the match to multiple scorechains. Did I like this? No.

I thought about returning this game even after liking it a bit more but since we have a solid group of PS3 players going now, I might as well give it a go until Black Ops and Vietnam. Though, if Beano scalps me one more time with that bloody Taliban hatchet, I may have to visit Gamestop. :))

Pwizzle99
10-17-2010, 04:51 PM
That's the thing though... I CAN'T just sit still and camp. I swear I have video-game-A.D.D.

If I don't move, I start watching butterflies and shiny objects and get shot in the face like a porn star on bukkakke night.
And last night was the first time I was able to get into a match with other MP players. But it kept booting us out. So you end up feeling like you are playing alone which is counter-intuative to a tactics based gameplay.

DayliteMag
10-17-2010, 05:31 PM
get shot in the face like a porn star on bukkakke night.

Oh, no you didn't just say that! =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =))

Jackie R
10-17-2010, 05:35 PM
I thought about returning this game even after liking it a bit more but since we have a solid group of PS3 players going now, I might as well give it a go until Black Ops and Vietnam.
I feel pretty much the same way. I'm not overly impressed with the multiplayer but it's all I have to play right now. It's going to be down payment for Black Ops when the time comes though. ;)

ProfUnderDog
10-17-2010, 05:40 PM
I'll play BFBC2 with you anytime Buddy! :cheers:

You can play the game without camping though camping definitely leads to higher score chains. If you could really coordinate even just a squad (OK, yes, I like BFBC2), you could do a lot to change the pace of the game, but right now it can definitely be a challenge. At the very least they should give you 2 smoke grenades. Sheesh!

Pwizzle99
10-17-2010, 05:53 PM
get shot in the face like a porn star on bukkakke night.

Oh, no you didn't just say that! =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =))
All I have to say is....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCvIw7DMHXc

DayliteMag
10-17-2010, 05:58 PM
I'll play BFBC2 with you anytime Buddy! :cheers:

You can play the game without camping though camping definitely leads to higher score chains. If you could really coordinate even just a squad (OK, yes, I like BFBC2), you could do a lot to change the pace of the game, but right now it can definitely be a challenge. At the very least they should give you 2 smoke grenades. Sheesh!

Thanks, Dude. I still find BC2 offers enough of a challenge to be interesting, so I don't mind continuing to play it. I'm def getting BO, even if it's just for the SP. I loved the SP and MP on MW2 (one of the few games I ever played the SP more than once), so I figure BO will tied me over until Vietnam and/or BF3.

Don't get me wrong, I had some fun playing MoH, but I just know it isn't going to be a long term commitment so I thought I might as well get as much $$$ as possible in trade. And, to be perfectly honest, there really may have been an element of "rage-return" on my part. After playing this afternoon with you, Toxic and BigDaddy I literally through my controller on the floor, ripped the disc out of my 360, ran out of my house (didn't even say anything to my wife and daughter), jumped in my car, sped to Gamestop and just about through the f'ing thing at the clerk. Fortunately, they know me there (yes, I'm a giant pathetic loser), and she just smiled and said, "So, shall we put you down for Black Ops?" :o) :-B 8-} :)) :((

LandShark
10-17-2010, 06:33 PM
get shot in the face like a porn star on bukkakke night.

Oh, no you didn't just say that! =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =))


reminded me of chris rock. 6:00 to the end.
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Spike Forehand
10-17-2010, 08:22 PM
I was very close to being in the same spot this afternoon in a match I was in with Super C on Mazar-i-sharif. We were defending as Taliban and were on a team with a bunch of stupid wookies sitting at the back of our map while the defend point outside the garage just flashed and flashed. The spawn points when defending were totally covered by their wookies hiding in the garage and it was spawn-3steps right-die, spawn-3 steps left-die, spawn-3 steps forward-die. Same thing again with the next two defend points. My blood was boiling. But then a funny thing happened - we switched to Helmand Valley and I had a great fun match. Tracked down and stabbed a wookie, got some points for setting an MCOM, got a score chain. Really enjoyed it.

I am so torn with this freakin game. I am gonna give it another week or so at least to see what happens when they nerf the sniper rifles, and will finish the SP certainly. However, I can certainly see myself giving up on it and returning it when BO comes out. This game has nowhere near the depth of BFBC2 - which is very disappointing.

It would be a fantastic game with maps that were a little better. Read somewhere that the reason the maps are so small is because of the level of detail involved - they are pushing the hardware capabilities of the PS3 apparently. If that's what it is, I would gladly give up on some of the detail for larger maps any day.

One comment I will make about the OP's list of 10. I noticed today that when attacking in Combat Mission, if I picked "Deploy to Front" I would always spawn in on Super-C. I knew this cause he was sniping from the back of the map, so I would always spawn on him way far from "The Front" Didn't help when defending, of course.

Jackie R
10-18-2010, 07:03 AM
We were defending as Taliban and were on a team with a bunch of stupid wookies sitting at the back of our map while the defend point outside the garage just flashed and flashed.
Hey! That's wrong man!

They are called the 'Opposing Force'! =))

;)

dinsdale1978
10-18-2010, 09:02 AM
I am closer to the edge on this game now. Even with a good team I can't see where this game can go from here with me. People are just going to learn how to snipe from the choke points and spawn camp even harder. I don't see them adding anything and the single player was very glitchy for me. I got stuck in several missions because my squadmates were busy watching me wander around and didn't want to move on. Then on the one mission with Dusty where you have to let the bad guys separate, one of them kept sticking in place and the mission would never progress.

If Gamestop is giving $38 I may go pick up EA MMA tomorrow.

ustolemygmrtag
10-18-2010, 09:06 AM
Well, I think I am done with it now that I have finished the SP. The Mp just Blows. And I cannot make myself defend it any longer. =(( :cuss: I will be returning both copies when my wife finishes the SP. And I guess, I will give BO a go, but I cannot be too enthusiastic about it. :|

BFBC2 MP's, I am coming back with a vengeance. :devil: :cheers:

Pwizzle99
10-18-2010, 09:13 AM
I'm returning mine when I get off this evening. Might give MAG another shot just for S&G's.

Retro
10-18-2010, 09:21 AM
BFBC2 MP's, I am coming back with a vengeance. :devil: :cheers:

WooHoo!!! More tags for me! :devil:

theczech99
10-18-2010, 10:23 AM
I'm returning mine when I get off this evening. Might give MAG another shot just for S&G's.
I read an article saying to give MAG a chance, so I did. I bought it on ebay for $21 and a week later sold it for $28. If you think the snipers are bad in MoH you will hate MAG. I thought the training grounds were for helping lower ranking players level up by keeping high ranking players out of the map. I was very wrong. Every time I played I couldnít get more than a few feet out of the spawn area before getting picked off by a sniper. IMO if there were only two FPS, MoH would be a 10 and MAG would be a 1. So if you hated MoH trying out MAG will only piss you off. At least with MoH there is a SP campaign to play.

Pwizzle99
10-18-2010, 10:30 AM
I'm returning mine when I get off this evening. Might give MAG another shot just for S&G's.
I read an article saying to give MAG a chance, so I did. I bought it on ebay for $21 and a week later sold it for $28. If you think the snipers are bad in MoH you will hate MAG. I thought the training grounds were for helping lower ranking players level up by keeping high ranking players out of the map. I was very wrong. Every time I played I couldnít get more than a few feet out of the spawn area before getting picked off by a sniper. IMO if there were only two FPS, MoH would be a 10 and MAG would be a 1. So if you hated MoH trying out MAG will only piss you off. At least with MoH there is a SP campaign to play.
Yeah I know. I had it before and got mad at it. But found out that a few friends have it and play a lot and u can actually join clans and its not screwed up like MoH to where u can't play with friends.

TrojanTeacher
10-18-2010, 12:12 PM
BFBC2 MP's, I am coming back with a vengeance. :devil: :cheers:

WooHoo!!! More tags for me! :devil:

:ar! Me knife awaits ya as well, me hardy!

ustolemygmrtag
10-18-2010, 12:18 PM
BFBC2 MP's, I am coming back with a vengeance. :devil: :cheers:

WooHoo!!! More tags for me! :devil:

:ar! Me knife awaits ya as well, me hardy!
You still owe me a gold set. I have 1 shiny Silver that awaits a Gold Companion. :devil:

Quixote37
10-18-2010, 01:02 PM
So, couple of observations... There are LOTS of things to be disappointed about with MoH. The worst thing, by a wide margin, is the crappy party system. The point has been made several times about this. It was sold on the realism front. Visually speaking, I'd go with that. But it's nearly impossible to work, even a as a fire team. I've focused on Team Assault, but there is no TEAM. If you see guys going a certain way, I can go along and we can move up together. If you don't get total douche bags, you can actually move very effectively. But it's incredibly frustrating...

Second, I ranted on day one about the spawn camping and sniping. Since then, I've leaned what to look for and how to move from an area that's being camped. That said, effective team communications would eliminate that almost entirely. Fat chance of getting that. In fact, I've leveled my sniper class more than the others. One of the things that is frustrating about that class is a sniper rifle should have consderably more effective range than an assault weapon. That's the edge in battle. The maps are so small, however, that I often get "sniped" with assualt, or even spec ops, weapons. :cuss:

Lastly, it's not ALL negative. If you have to pick between MoH or waiting for BO, I'd wait. If you can get it, it's ok and an interesting diversion from MW2. I've not played the Battlefield games at all. maybe I'll try to pick one up. What version am I looking for? In the end, my kdr is just as bad in MoH as it is in MW2. .36 vs .41. Because I suck. Though both are coming up and I'm enjoying them both a little more now. Would be a lot more fun to try and do some team stuff tho...

DayliteMag
10-18-2010, 01:12 PM
I've not played the Battlefield games at all. maybe I'll try to pick one up. What version am I looking for? In the end, my kdr is just as bad in MoH as it is in MW2. .36 vs .41. Because I suck. Though both are coming up and I'm enjoying them both a little more now. Would be a lot more fun to try and do some team stuff tho...

There is a good group of active Battlefield Bad Company 2 players on the Xbox 360. Before MoH came out it was not uncommon for there to be as many as 8-10 of us playing almost every night. Some, including myself, have given MoH a try and now a few are trickling back to BadCompany 2. There is a highly anticipated expansion coming for BC2 (Vietnam). Also, I believe they are working on Battlefield 3, but I don't know when it will be released. If you are into games where strategy and communication play important roles then you will like BC2.

Toxic Avenger72
10-18-2010, 01:33 PM
Daylite hit the nail on the head. If communication and strategy are key things you want in a multiplayer game, BC2 is THE game.

I think once i get the achievement for playing Team Assult for 2 hours, MOH may go by the wayside. I think I only have about an hour or so left. I can only take a little at a time. Too many d-bags "running-n-gunning". To me, there is no purpose in that. Would rather be securing flags and arming MCOMs in BC2. MOH was a nice diversion until BO comes out.

ustolemygmrtag
10-18-2010, 01:38 PM
I've not played the Battlefield games at all. maybe I'll try to pick one up. What version am I looking for? In the end, my kdr is just as bad in MoH as it is in MW2. .36 vs .41. Because I suck. Though both are coming up and I'm enjoying them both a little more now. Would be a lot more fun to try and do some team stuff tho...

There is a good group of active Battlefield Bad Company 2 players on the Xbox 360. Before MoH came out it was not uncommon for there to be as many as 8-10 of us playing almost every night. Some, including myself, have given MoH a try and now a few are trickling back to BadCompany 2. There is a highly anticipated expansion coming for BC2 (Vietnam). Also, I believe they are working on Battlefield 3, but I don't know when it will be released. If you are into games where strategy and communication play important roles then you will like BC2.
Yes, do give it a try. But if you buy Bad Company 2, make sure you buy it NEW. Because there is a VIP code that comes with it. I gives you access to almost all the "Expansions" to date. (Except Onslaught) If you buy the game used, It will cost you a extra $15 to buy a new code. Plus I think the New games now come with a copy of BF1943. Not for sure on that one though.

Toxic Avenger72
10-18-2010, 01:43 PM
Yes, do give it a try. But if you buy Bad Company 2, make sure you buy it NEW. Because there is a VIP code that comes with it. I gives you access to almost all the "Expansions" to date. (Except Onslaught) If you buy the game used, It will cost you a extra $15 to buy a new code. Plus I think the New games now come with a copy of BF1943. Not for sure on that one though.

Yep, the Ultimate Edition of BC2 comes with BF1943 and Onslaught mode for BC2.

ustolemygmrtag
10-18-2010, 01:47 PM
Yes, do give it a try. But if you buy Bad Company 2, make sure you buy it NEW. Because there is a VIP code that comes with it. I gives you access to almost all the "Expansions" to date. (Except Onslaught) If you buy the game used, It will cost you a extra $15 to buy a new code. Plus I think the New games now come with a copy of BF1943. Not for sure on that one though.

Yep, the Ultimate Edition of BC2 comes with BF1943 and Onslaught mode for BC2.
I did not know this. Good to here that Onslaught comes with it too.

Beano
10-18-2010, 02:07 PM
Hopefully all my ps3 buddies don't return it yet. I have a long work week and can't play much. The last few times I played I really started having fun. And I promise no more axes to dinsdales pretty beard.

theczech99
10-18-2010, 02:23 PM
Hopefully all my ps3 buddies don't return it yet. I have a long work week and can't play much. The last few times I played I really started having fun. And I promise no more axes to dinsdales pretty beard.
Iíll still be playing. I didnít play as much as I wanted to this weekend due to kicking my own ass putting in some new trim Sat and Sun. We have the neighbors from hell living behind us and need to move asap. Iíve been doing the little things to make our house more appealing to buyers. I should be back online tonight after my chores are done.

Sup3rman
10-18-2010, 04:25 PM
I was planning on buying this game but not sure anymore..I guess I'll just try and level up to 50 in BF:BC2 and wait for black ops..wish you guys would come back to BF though..lol

Jackie R
10-18-2010, 04:28 PM
I'm still around as well. If going 5-33 isn't enough to keep me away, then nothing else will either...except Black Ops :p

theczech99
10-18-2010, 04:43 PM
I was planning on buying this game but not sure anymore..I guess I'll just try and level up to 50 in BF:BC2 and wait for black ops..wish you guys would come back to BF though..lol
I prob won't be back to BC2 until Vientnam comes out. I'm sticking with MoH until the zombies invade RDR and then BO after that.

Spike Forehand
10-18-2010, 04:58 PM
Hopefully all my ps3 buddies don't return it yet. I have a long work week and can't play much. The last few times I played I really started having fun. And I promise no more axes to dinsdales pretty beard.

I'm gonna keep going for the next little bit anyway - at least until Rock Band 3 comes out at the end of the month. It's a nice change of pace from BFBC2, but certainly doesn't look like it'll have the long-term appeal that game had.

ustolemygmrtag
10-18-2010, 05:37 PM
Hopefully all my ps3 buddies don't return it yet. I have a long work week and can't play much. The last few times I played I really started having fun. And I promise no more axes to dinsdales pretty beard.

I'm gonna keep going for the next little bit anyway - at least until Rock Band 3 comes out at the end of the month. It's a nice change of pace from BFBC2, but certainly doesn't look like it'll have the long-term appeal that game had.
I don't know, If you get the Pro mode, you will really have some fun for a long while. If you play guitar at all, you will have an edge over everyone else.
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sniperella
10-19-2010, 06:33 AM
I am so sad, MoH was such a disappointment. :(( The sad little game has found its way back to gamestop, and we will probably hold out until BOps or BC2 Vietnam. I think I will just hold off until I see what you guys think of the BOps game first before we even buy a copy. Wow, what an incredible waste of money!! I think from now on we buy one copy of a new game, and if it is great, we go back for another, and if not, then we aren't wasting as much cash! I will see those of you that are staying faithful to BC2, like Daylite! See you on the Battlefield my fellow MPs! :hug: ;)

Psalm
10-19-2010, 11:56 AM
My daughter who works at Gamestop said she had 4 people come in last night alone to trade in MOH....they all said it was crap and they should have waited for the reviews.

NormL_Rush
10-19-2010, 12:05 PM
It really must be to each is his own, as I enjoy it? Then again Im what some might consider crazy.

Borlaxx
10-19-2010, 12:42 PM
My daughter who works at Gamestop said she had 4 people come in last night alone to trade in MOH....they all said it was crap and they should have waited for the reviews.
I had actually reserved this game to get the beta code and then canceled my pre-order after the beta. I got a call from the GS I reserved it at yesterday wanting to know when I was going to pick up my copy. For some reason they still had it reserved for me, but when I told the guy I canceled it he looked it up in the computer and saw I had $0.00 down on it. His response was "oh, you did cancel your pre-order. Probably a good idea from what I am hearing from people, but hey, if you want a used copy, we have PLENTY."

unich
10-19-2010, 12:43 PM
I am so sad, MoH was such a disappointment. :(( The sad little game has found its way back to gamestop, and we will probably hold out until BOps or BC2 Vietnam. I think I will just hold off until I see what you guys think of the BOps game first before we even buy a copy. Wow, what an incredible waste of money!! I think from now on we buy one copy of a new game, and if it is great, we go back for another, and if not, then we aren't wasting as much cash! I will see those of you that are staying faithful to BC2, like Daylite! See you on the Battlefield my fellow MPs! :hug: ;)

I agree snipes, I thought it was cool at first but after playing it more, especially the multiplayer, it really is crap. VERY disappointing. I really tried to like this game because I was so siked for it but they (DICE/EA/) could have done a WAY better job. I wonder if they rushed it to beat black ops release? I don't know man, I gave it a 7/10 on first impression but I would give it a 2 maybe 3 now. My copy is gone now, I got what I paid for it so i'm happy. Luckily I had a $20 off promo so I paid a total of 43 and some change. I sold it for $38 so I got to play it (and beat the ridiculas short campaign) for 5 bucks. Gamestop offered me $23 store credit. WHAT!!?? 23?? I understand they have to make a profit but they'll turn around a sell it for $55. Anyhow!!, BBC2 Vietnam will be my focus and reg. BBC2.

Jackie R
10-19-2010, 02:51 PM
It really must be to each is his own, as I enjoy it? Then again Im what some might consider crazy.
Well, so far, I'm liking the SP (save for a few weird things happening) but like a lot of other people, I bought this for the MP. That part of the game is where my disappointment lies.

NormL_Rush
10-20-2010, 07:00 AM
[quote="NormL_Rush":gmyvdrao]It really must be to each is his own, as I enjoy it? Then again Im what some might consider crazy.
Well, so far, I'm liking the SP (save for a few weird things happening) but like a lot of other people, I bought this for the MP. That part of the game is where my disappointment lies.[/quote:gmyvdrao]
The sp has some really great moments, but overall its way to short to compete in todays market.

TrojanTeacher
10-20-2010, 04:14 PM
What ever happened to the games like the Legend of Zelda which could have taken weeks to finish.

Retro
10-20-2010, 05:29 PM
What ever happened to the games like the Legend of Zelda which could have taken weeks to finish.
psssst, it's called Fallout.

Borlaxx
10-21-2010, 07:24 AM
What ever happened to the games like the Legend of Zelda which could have taken weeks to finish.
psssst, it's called Fallout.
Dragon Age took me over 60 hours to beat the first time, and I still didn't do all the optional quests. I can't remember the last FPS game I played that was longer than 10 hours for the single player.

Retro
10-21-2010, 08:54 AM
I can't remember exactly how long it took me, but I remember the orginal Bad Company had a pretty decent single player. I'm pretty sure it clocked in between 10 to 15 hours.

Of course I remember when 10 to 15 hours was what the expansion packs for FPS games use to offer!

dinsdale1978
10-21-2010, 09:30 AM
My daughter who works at Gamestop said she had 4 people come in last night alone to trade in MOH....they all said it was crap and they should have waited for the reviews.

Yeah it's going to be a frequent trade-in. It's still growing on me, but with Black Ops near and Read Dead Zombies even closer, it's going to be lonely on my shelf.

BERZERKERTICK
10-24-2010, 05:04 PM
so the verdict is that I should wait and buy Black Ops instead of this game?

Beano
10-24-2010, 05:50 PM
It depends what kind of game you like. I like some others have little use for the CoD style of play. I've played every one since the first and while fun there really isn't much teamplay feel to it. It seems to be run around and fast as you can with ninja, silent pro, super knife a majig perks and kill as many people as you can. A fun distraction but I highly doubt Black Ops will be any better.

dinsdale1978
10-24-2010, 06:34 PM
It depends what kind of game you like. I like some others have little use for the CoD style of play. I've played every one since the first and while fun there really isn't much teamplay feel to it. It seems to be run around and fast as you can with ninja, silent pro, super knife a majig perks and kill as many people as you can. A fun distraction but I highly doubt Black Ops will be any better.

Good point. BO is still going to be about who can camp the hardest and find the most exploitable perk/weapon/class. The only drawback for me with MOH is that even the multiplayer seems to be lacking any long distance staying power. The level cap at 15 for each class and nothing really interesting past level 10 makes the higher levels seem like nothing but a grind to get a PSN trophy.

TrojanTeacher
10-24-2010, 07:27 PM
I think the "Beard" unlock is what killed it for me.

Jackie R
10-25-2010, 07:10 AM
Some very good points but you may also want to look at who you will be playing with. If you dislike playing with the general public and prefer playing with MPs, you may want to wait until Black Ops. MoH has been out only a couple of weeks and yet, on a good night, I will only see 4 or 5 other MPs on. I'm sure Black Ops will be a lot more popular.

DayliteMag
10-25-2010, 08:49 AM
so the verdict is that I should wait and buy Black Ops instead of this game?

That would be my advice. I bought MoH on the day it came out and returned it on the day that I posted the original message in this thread. All along I have said that I feel confident that BlOps will be the superior of the two. At this point, we are only looking at two weeks until BlOps drops (damn, now I'm starting to sound like Dr. Seuss), so waiting shouldn't be a problem. If you aren't really into any particular game at this moment then why not take the two weeks off from gaming (I realize this is blasphemy) and spend the time with your spouse and children? 'Cause ya' know, when BO comes out they are prolly going to feel a bit neglected ;)

Jackie R
10-26-2010, 11:17 AM
I ended up returning the game today at Gamestop. I figured that I would beat the rush when so many people will try to do the same 2 weeks from now. That being said, looks like the rush is already on as I only got $30 (CDN) for it because the store already had a bunch of used copies.

Not sure that I have ever seen a game fall from grace to quickly. http://theadultgamer.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

murphygoodie
10-26-2010, 05:08 PM
i couldnt agree more.i still cant bring myself to return it though might as well get the trophies and ..........??????